aaw. I hope that this greentext in particular was real.
Studio Ramsay bots astroturfing 4chan is the 21st century we wanted.
I remember when Jamie Oliver first started his Naked Chef series in the UK. He was getting a load of hate from guys because their girlfriends/wives expected them to do their share of cooking. They used to shout at him in the street.
I prefer Gordon Ramsey’s content outside of the US better because he is often less angry for angriness sake, and often because someone is doing something that will get someone sick or hurt. To me, that is what healthy anger looks like. An alert system that drives you to make changes and demand changes of others for the benefit and safety of everyone.
That probably isn’t worded the best, and I am no philosopher or psychiatrist, but it is a worldview that has been healthy and helpful for me.
Nah that’s spot on. He gets angry to see stupid shit and he isn’t afraid to let people know because it does have consequences. Don’t be a donkey and he’s sound as fuck, I reckon.
But of course good TV means they’ll put quite the muppets on his path, for drama.
Nah, he’s often in for the drama, knowing drama sells. Often over the top, not authentic.
100%. The kitchen nightmares UK version was way way way better because it wasn’t overproduced and dramaed up, it was focused on the food and the restaurant which is way more interesting to me than a bunch of idiots yelling at each other.
I will keep saying this:
Socioeconomically disadvantaged young dudes are angry.
Instead of broadly shaming them for that, relate to that anger, temper it, show them how to use it in a controlled manner, and point it toward something useful, constructive.
Give them a rules-based, defined, productive outlet for it.
If you just tell them to bottle it up… they will eventually explode, and cause collateral damage.
How sad is it that a goofily angry man on the TV is a better parent than anon’s parents?
Well, it doesn’t matter how sad it is, because most parents these days are working too many jobs for not enough money, to even possibly be decent parents.
Thats just reality.
… You wanna beat the fascists at their game of weaponizing male insecurity and angst?
Provide a better version of channeling that insecurity and angst: Give them a framework for thinking and acting that they can channel the anger and energy into genuienly useful and productive forms.
Actually show them a positive, socially beneficial form of masculinity, that gives them their own identity, instead of a cultic group identity.
How sad is it that a goofily angry man on the TV is a better parent than anon’s parents?
Some even say Star Trek TNG characters were their role models because it were the first adults actually acting as adults they were exposed to.
I mean, beyond Mr. Rogers, yeah I absolutely can see that.
no,
telling them they are all patriarchal losers is clearly the path forwards for a truly just and happy society.
also gotta make sure they know they are only losers because of their privilege of having penis, and their existence is upsetting to economically privileged women who are offended that they aren’t all wall st bankers.
beat the fascists
The people telling boys to bottle up their emotions are the fascists. I don’t mean that everyone who has said this is ideologically fascist, but that’s a practice that, like you said, it only causes problems in society. The fascist impulse, the Hitler particle exists inside a lot of regular people and is reinforced by our social institutions especially the exploiting workplace.
There is a larger cultural issue at play here, but culture is dependent on the economic factors, and vice-versa
No, the fascists scapegoat minorities and direct that rage towards them. Rage can be sated vicariously and ICE, the police, and the military provide that when they are vicious to out groups. It functions like bottling it up in the long run though because that violence doesn’t resolve any of the actual sources of that rage. Relief doesn’t require an outlet for the rage but a resolution for its source.
Are you disagreeing with me? I agree with everything you say. Even your emphasis on subjective human emotion leading to objective action or consequence is spot on.
Fascism is a byproduct of capitalism. Oppressing outgroups is a needed function of the state, just like keeping a middle class is a needed function of a state, and the two functions are deeply connected.
Fascist rage is Middle class fear. Middle class fear comes from constant threat of financial ruin, and humiliation. Telling people not to show distress is a way of keeping people from sharing their distress, and organizing themselves along the material basis of that distress.
If something bad is happening at work, but something worse might happen if i sign a union card, then i might not sign that card. Hell, i’ll probably even tell myself that its not that bad, I’ll suck it up, its hard but thats what makes me deserve it, which means that other guy deserves what he got, which means the boss deserves what he got.
Then the boss gives me a manager position for being company material. And I’ll tell the employees to suck it up when they have problems, because that’s what I know. Fucking people over becomes a virtue, showing emotion or caring about people gets considered a weakness. And that suits the bosses, the capitalists, just fine. Sound familiar?
Fascism is just scab ideology. Its the belief that what is best for society is for me to screw over everyone around me, except the boss who abuses me a little less for it.
You say that violence doesn’t fix the problem, but thats because it doesn’t fix our problems. If, from someone’s perspective, the problems of society are :
- The poors are actin up
- Capitalists aren’t making money fast enough and need to force people to take lower wages
- Fascists don’t have state power
- A large group of workers needs divided (read violently oppressed)
Then fascism might be the answer to the problem. Fascism isn’t an idea in someone’s brain, it is a set of circumstances in society. Problems in society make some people want to change society to eliminate the problems, and other people who want to benefit personally from the continuation of those problems, and creation of new ones. The first group wants to hear your grievances, and the second group wants to shut you up.
Have you ever read What is National Socialism?
It was intended more as a clarification than a disagreement, as I was focused on a different part of fascism when I read that and agree with your additions. It channels the anger away from the true causes towards scapegoats that have nothing to do with the problems, or that are tangentially related, or maybe the other side in some other (legitimate or not) conflict.
An important part of it is that they don’t simply redirect the anger. They actively and intentionally create problems that lead to more anger, then redirect it.
How do you get everyone pissed off at illegal immigrants? You first create a system that makes legal immigration impossible for most while also propping up an economy that rewards the use of underpaid migrant laborers with no rights. Now that you’ve created a problem that involves migrants, you blame the migrants for all problems to drum up support for your movement.
And the beauty of it is, people don’t have to be on your side. Once the debate over immigration gets fired enough, you’ve won. All the fighting over immigration is misdirection from your actual goals.
Look, it might be fake, but these stories annoy me because the way people are treated by their family influences their behaviour. “For once my family isn’t angry with me” - the same story everywhere. NEETs idn’t stand a chance
It’s a cycle that both sides contribute to. This system is shit, some people step up anyways, some avoid it, most people do some combination of the two, but the ones that choose 100% escapism burden those around them because someone still needs to finance their basic needs, which takes an emotional toll. And any excuse about how hard it is is even more frustrating because it’s not like it’s easy for the ones they complain about it to, yet they are doing it for themselves and the NEET, but they (often) don’t even want to keep trying for themselves.
Or even if it is incompetence and they aren’t capable, a) it’s impossible to know if that’s even true or if it’s malicious compliance and b) still frustrating when a lot of it is still pretty basic, since there’s jobs at all levels where the main thing you need to do to succeed is just show up on time (or even just close for some of them).
Not to mention that it’s often combined with an aggressively entitled attitude and/or lying about what they are doing in ways that can blow up in the face of whoever ends up being financially responsible for them.
And ultimately, between someone who has earned the NEET label and their family supporting them, the only one that can really fix the situation is the NEET. All the therapy and support in the world won’t matter if they don’t want to improve, but if they decide to truly try to get their shit together and not just excuse their way out of even attempting or sticking with it the moment it gets hard, they can also make progress on their own.
Not saying it’s easy, but that’s the whole point and the reason why families can get so frustrated with NEETs, as well as knowing that the rest of the world isn’t going to care about them like they do and if anything happens to the caregivers, the NEET could end up homeless or dead but they sit around like mommy or daddy will take care of them forever.
fake - annon’s family is definitely still disappointed in them
gay - doing things for other people
Gay: anon likes Gordon Ramsay
Double Gay: anon cooks
Fake: anon’s family isn’t angry or disappointed
Fake: man, how do you even eat a pumpkin?
Gay: me, and also I’m a lesbian that can’t cook so I don’t fucking know
I’m a chef so I have professional knowledge on this subject. Gordon is powerful enough to convert any red blooded lesbian into a pumpkin eater.
Fake and gay: pumpkin
I make my scrambled eggs the way he does
Fake: eggs you eat where you can’t identify the yolk.
Gay: adding creme fraiche to anything, or even having it in your fridge+1
I saw that video at least 10 years ago and can’t bring myself to do it any other way.
I, too, yell, “Fuck off, you donkey” at the egg carton until the eggs come out.
I tried his way a few times, did pickup some better technique for stirring, but mostly I still like mine how I’ve always made them. Have you seen the video of his (adult) son telling him that he likes his eggs different? I laughed pretty hard because it’s exactly how i feel. “Yeah it’s good but it takes 15 minutes!” Gordon being a dick about the pan too is just so on brand.
The secret trick is to scramble them.
I always make my grilled cheese sandwich the way he does
His voice demonstrating that on TV is always on my mind when making scrambled eggs.
Never stop stirring. Never stop! NEVER STOP!
Angry?
And how is that?
Good amount of butter in a warm pan, crack in 3 eggs, don’t bother to whisk them. Just fuck them about with the spatula directly in the pan to scramble them. Keep them moving, keep stirring and scraping, moderate the heat by taking the pan off the burner. When they start to come together, add 1/4 cup of cream or sour cream, continue bothering the eggs until the consistency is how you like it. I like them fairly moist, but firm enough to stand up in a pile. Season, put over toast.
I like Worcestershire sauce and Apricot jam on my scramble eggs, I know that sounds treasonous but it’s good
I mean generally the secret to making anything good is to make it 20-60% butter and then add heavy cream.
the things you can get away with when you have socialized healthcare
Just avoid sugar and you’re fine
That’s a dessert, not a meal.
My mom is from North England, so that’s just how all our meals are. Auntie Elizabeth always said “butter makes everything better”
“butter makes everything better”
I originally read this as “butter makes everything butter”
Including margarine
Don’t tell me how to live my life
I dump them in a measuring beaker with melted butter and microwave for two 60 second stretches, whisking in between with a fork 😁 So fancy
The whole thing sounds treasonous.
Eh, I make eggs following Ramsay’s general directions. His recipe is more for creamy scrambled. I just use a less butter and cream. The eggs still come out fluffy, light and more creamy than normal. Like greentext, I have received several complements on how they turn out. Except I don’t put jam on them.
I find it soooo weird that people say cooking is a womans job (it should just be who ever likes cooking job), but in most parts of the world, men are dominantly the people who do the cooking in professional and home environments. I love cooking and my partner loves the chemistry of baking, else we would just have a cabinet of craft dinners and ramen (not that we dont have those on hand).
i’ve never dated a woman my entire life who didn’t look down on me for cooking. even if she herself couldn’t cook.
cultural beliefs are everything to many folks.
to them cooking and cleaning is for lower class people, if it’s not women it should be hired help who are immigrants.
That’s fascinating! I’m in America and most women seem to like that I (male) do the cooking. Do you mind me asking what culture you’re a part of here?
It’s just another epic sexism moment. Cooking lame garden-variety “food to not die” crap at home to feed the family? That’s a woman’s job. Doing good, skillful cooking that has intrinsic merit of its own, cooking that deserves money? Oh okay, now men should be doing it. 🙃
This even happens with home cooking, at least it did in my town. The moms cook every night, but when a DAD is grilling some STEAK (ironically a much simpler dish to make), suddenly that’s a special event.
Just about all prejudice is just manufactured cultural pressure. There’s no base in reality or rationality, it’s just “people told me this often enough that now I believe it.” It easily shifts from culture to culture because different people said different baseless things that became “common knowledge” in that region.
or it’s just something you have encountered your entire life.
other than professional cooking classes I’ve taken for my own interest, I’ve never known a guy who cooks other than grilling outside. Women like it when I grill outside for them too.
But if I cook inside? It’s all very bizarre and suspicious and uncomfortable. It’s not ‘natural’.
We’re saying the same thing. People say the kitchen is for women, so people think it’s weird for a man to be in the kitchen, so men stay out of the kitchen. Doesn’t make it any more logical, it’s just an old tradition based on bad takes from people long dead.
Yeah. I do most of the cooking for me and my girlfriend, and that suits both of us. I like being able to cook what I want, and she likes eating what I cook.
That’s actually most of the relationships my friends are in as well. The guys do most of the cooking. And honestly in this day where women have higher degrees and are getting better paying jobs, cooking is essentially the bare minimum for most guys to get a girlfriend.
Pumpkin soup fucking slaps!
I found the recipe! Might try my hand at it, it’s Autumn here and the recipe looks good. (I might end using butternut squash instead though.)
When I try my hand I always end with nut on my squash too.
